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12:16 am February 25, 2008
| Smitty
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Article.
Thoughts, comments, your own top 25 or just top 10?
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12:26 am February 25, 2008
| Gambler
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Found it odd neither of you thought Steve Smith was worth keeping. One season of having the worst crap ever assembled as his QB platoon and suddenly nobody remembers the guy.
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12:37 am February 25, 2008
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Gambler said:
Found it odd neither of you thought Steve Smith was worth keeping. One season of having the worst crap ever assembled as his QB platoon and suddenly nobody remembers the guy.
It was close, but he is right there around 25. To be honest, Jamal isn't often on my radar, but without the rookie class (as you can't keep them yet, this is for keeping players from 2007), the RBs go quick and I think CLE is perfect for his fantasy value for at least 2 years. Again, normally I'm not too high on him, but locked up in CLE is perfect and he still is relatively young (28, turning 29 in August), so he still has at least 2 years left as a pretty solid RB2. I could easily toss him out for a couple of the rookies.
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9:04 am February 25, 2008
| Hambone
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It's quite interesting to see the differences between both of your top 25s. There appears to be consensus on a couple of picks (LJ and Gore), but apart from those, very different boards.
No love for The Burner Tav?
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Just give me 25 guys on the last year of their contracts; I'll win a pennant every year. ~ Sparky Anderson
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9:44 am February 25, 2008
| Tavaner
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Hambone said:
No love for The Burner Tav?
Not until he signs, my friend. Maybe not even then. The offensive philosophy, the offensive line, & the other skill positions are elements to consider. With all the unknowns around him right now he doesn't crack the second round…for me (obviously).
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10:06 am February 25, 2008
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Tav, I'm surprised you have Romo ahead of Brady. Is that just because you think Moss may sign elsewhere now?
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10:12 am February 25, 2008
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my turn:
First of all I don't agree that AP is a better keeper then LT. LT may be older, but for next year is that an issue? Or is this list really the 'best keepers for the next 3 years'.
LT has a better health record – post season injury not withstanding. LT is on a better offense and has more experience. I think for 2008 he is #1
Second I think both of are overrating Brady. Yes he belongs on this list, but history has shown that record breaking TD seasons usually are followed by a comparatively lean year. Everything broke right for the Pats and Brady, the chances of a repeat is slim.
I think Tavs is too low on Lynch and Turner, and both of you are too high on S Jax. That offense is in decline and the O-line just won't give him enough room to be a top 5 back.
Smitty: Jamal Lewis and Brandon Jacobs . . . they don't belong on this list imo.
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QB: A Rodgers, B Roethlisberger, B Quinn RB: M Lynch, F Jackson, M Bush, R Bush, J Charles, G Coffee WR: V Jackson, S Holmes, P Harvin, S Breaston, D Avery, L Murphy TE: H Miller, V Davis, J Finley K: D Akers T: Bears
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10:51 am February 25, 2008
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I like both lists. Your both got a little too much invested in the Rams fools gold that is Steven Jackson. Rams are not smart enough to fix their O-Line problems. He will leave the Rams soon though if not traded so should be interesting in that respect since keeper league.
I agree with LT being more valuable then AP, but only cause of injury history of both. LT having little history of injury, and AP never playing a full year at any level.
I see a down year from Brady big time. Romo should be ranked ahead of him.
Romo and McGahee are the two main differences I see here which is interesting since I am actually considering trading Romo for McGahee in one league.
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I am driving the Josh Johnson bandwagon……All Aboard
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10:59 am February 25, 2008
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MrMarbles said:
Tav, I’m surprised you have Romo ahead of Brady. Is that just because you think Moss may sign elsewhere now?
No, as BrainBucket alludes to, SB losers generally face a tough time the next year but even counting that Brady's has produced from 23-28 td's a year with less than stellar WR's. Branch and Givens were the best pair he had. Welker is still there…I believe Moss is resigned and they are waiting till March to announce it. Welker + Moss + Brady = 30+ td's and a return to the playoffs.
Romo is still improving. The offense is the same…at least one of the two 1st rounders will give the offense a player that will/should step in and help. I don't think Romo has peaked. He's tailed off a bit at the end of each season. If he threw for 36 td's in his first full year I don't think we've seen the best he has yet.
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11:27 am February 25, 2008
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first off as an official fantasy football nerd…i love keeper lists like this even if valentines day just passed…lol….i agree with the ranking of jackson that hi…..for me its…lt…ap…westbrook and jackson as the top four…thats my tier one rbs right there…knowing that ronnie brown is gonna be at best case scenario at 90% for most of the year its very hard for me to accept him at 13…other then having turner a little to hi without knowing huge components cant argue too much more with your list smitt…id let someone else take jamal that hi…i love that your giving portis some love tav…i see 70 catches out of him this year…1600plus total yards….romo at 10? well you got 5 qbs in your top 25 so you just simply value them a little more then i do…id have no problem taking braylon over wayne only if anderson stays…dont want to go through the growing pains of quinn chucking it…for the both of you get off the larry juice….
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2:49 pm February 25, 2008
| Smitty
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Great comments.
If Moss stays in NE, Brady will get 38-40TDs IMO. I just don't see how he can't. I realize most big QB seasons aren't repeated, but for some reason, I believe this one is a lock to repeat at least to some degree (meaning 40TDs instead of 50).
As for Jamal… I struggle even looking at him in my top 25 every time I view the list, but he has 1-2 years left at top 25ish value, what can you say? Anywhere else he would bust I think, but Cleveland he is a solid keeper this year and next.
Nice work guys.
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3:43 pm February 25, 2008
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In a couple of versions I had Jamal Lewis in the top 25 and while I have no qualms about this year it was the years afterwards that worried me. That and I couldn't leave a 30 td up and coming stud QB off the list.
I do favor QB's FarFromHome…it's just me…and imo, the NFL. Recent rule changes favor WR's, QB's and the passing game. In the research I've done, except for the tier 1 RB's + Moss the RB's and WR's seem interchangeable if selecting from the same tier (or the top 30 @ each position). Earlier on, the WR's have a slight statistical edge, later on that shifts to the RB's. One of the biggest shifts occur at QB. I wanted to reflect that in the article. QB's have become more valuable.
My post to MrMarbles pretty much sums up how I feel about Romo coming into this year.
ohhh…LJ's ranking was restrained. ;)
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4:03 pm February 25, 2008
| Smitty
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Tavaner said:
In a couple of versions I had Jamal Lewis in the top 25 and while I have no qualms about this year it was the years afterwards that worried me. That and I couldn’t leave a 30 td up and coming stud QB off the list.
I do favor QB’s FarFromHome…it’s just me…and imo, the NFL. Recent rule changes favor WR’s, QB’s and the passing game. In the research I’ve done, except for the tier 1 RB’s + Moss the RB’s and WR’s seem interchangeable if selecting from the same tier (or the top 30 @ each position). Earlier on, the WR’s have a slight statistical edge, later on that shifts to the RB’s. One of the biggest shifts occur at QB. I wanted to reflect that in the article. QB’s have become more valuable.
My post to MrMarbles pretty much sums up how I feel about Romo coming into this year.
ohhh…LJ’s ranking was restrained.
While I think Romo is ranked a bit high for my taste, I have no problem with it. If you think Romo is a 40TD, he will earn that value, but he is going to have to throw 40TDs, though. I hope he does, I have him in both of our Dynasty Expert Leagues… Throw Romo Throw!!!!
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4:16 pm February 25, 2008
| North End Dirtdogs
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Smitty said:
Article.
Thoughts, comments, your own top 25 or just top 10?
Hey Smitty,
I noticed you like Graham in the top 25. Does that change now with TB trying out RBs like Foster?
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4:39 pm February 25, 2008
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North End Dirtdogs said:
Smitty said:
Article.
Thoughts, comments, your own top 25 or just top 10?
Hey Smitty,
I noticed you like Graham in the top 25. Does that change now with TB trying out RBs like Foster?
No, not at all. It makes me like Graham more. Look, TB will have to address the back-up running back spot… would you rather see them land Foster, who didn't do much in CAR except for his pre-injury days? Or would you rather have a rookie like Ray Rice or Matt Forte get drafted to fill the spot. Those rookie RBs are more of a risk to steal carries than Foster. They could sign Foster and still sign a big name rook late, that is the nature of this deep draft, but no… to answer your question, Foster doesn't scare me away from Graham at all. Graham is a good runner and I sure hope Tampa plays this right and gives him the full-time keys, not just the keys to 2007.
Good question, though, but that is my take anyway.
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4:51 pm February 25, 2008
| North End Dirtdogs
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I guess the Foster effect is all for not…this just came across the wire…
ESPN's John Clayton expects the 49ers to sign free agent DeShaun Foster "in the next couple of days."
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4:59 pm February 25, 2008
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North End Dirtdogs said:
I guess the Foster effect is all for not…this just came across the wire…
ESPN’s John Clayton expects the 49ers to sign free agent DeShaun Foster “in the next couple of days.â€
Yep.
Breaking News Wire
02-25 4:51 pm by Xtreme Exclusive
RB DeShaun Foster to sign with 49ers within days?
FFX: According to ESPN Insider's John Clayton, former Panthers RB DeShaun Foster could very well end up on the 49ers roster within days. FANTASY: This shouldn't threaten Gore's workload at all, while Gore is healthy… it just gives the team a solid back-up option. This is a good place for Foster, because if Gore does get banged up, Foster could fill in nicely from time to time.
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5:47 pm February 25, 2008
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Smitty said:
If you think Romo is a 40TD, he will earn that value, but he is going to have to throw 40TDs, though.
We disagree :) Romo gets the spot if he matches last year +/-2. Brady falls back to earth even with Moss. I'd consider his season a success with 33+ td's (though as a fan, 40 is better). Manning will be in the same range and may increase to the mid thirties as Gonzalez replaces Harrison and Clark works out of the slot more. Brees & N.O. play hungry again after their extended playoff high of two years ago (sched is easier too) and Roethy is still emerging despite throwing for 32 td's last year.
mmmm…one more thing…or two… ;)
Jerry Jones has already stated he is looking to add some playmakers on offense (who isn't) so whether it is Walker via trade, or Stallworth (looking for a ring), Berrian, Hackett or ;) Roy Williams (for a 2nd?) it'll be a fun and gun game to watch in Dallas. Wouldn't you trade #28 for him?
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5:50 pm February 25, 2008
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hey guys, cool keeper lists.
personally, I think SJax is top notch, and he will be next year. They WILL address the offensive line concerns (Far too many solid linemen in the draft this year) and SJax is a pure stud.
Both of you have LJ at 6. I don't think he will produce that next year, nor will he come close. I like Tav's placement of MBIII. I think we are finally going to get a taste of MBIII at full tilt.
Jamal Lewis, as odd as it sounds, deserves to be a top 25er for next year. He just signed with the Brownies, and on that offense, he will produce once again.
Smitty, you're showing a ton of confidence in Ronnie Brown's knee, but NO faith in Reggie Wayne! C'mon man, he's as sure a thing as possible!
(edit – Okay, you only have 3 WRs in the top 25, no worries then)
Tav has more WRs and QBs, Smitty is all RB. Smitty, you looking for a return to normalcy? Think 07 was a 1995-like fad? I think we talked about this on another thread.
Good lists gents.
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6:16 pm February 25, 2008
| Smitty
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Tavaner said:
Smitty said:
If you think Romo is a 40TD, he will earn that value, but he is going to have to throw 40TDs, though.
We disagree Romo gets the spot if he matches last year +/-2. Brady falls back to earth even with Moss. I’d consider his season a success with 33+ td’s (though as a fan, 40 is better). Manning will be in the same range and may increase to the mid thirties as Gonzalez replaces Harrison and Clark works out of the slot more. Brees & N.O. play hungry again after their extended playoff high of two years ago (sched is easier too) and Roethy is still emerging despite throwing for 32 td’s last year.
mmmm…one more thing…or two…
Jerry Jones has already stated he is looking to add some playmakers on offense (who isn’t) so whether it is Walker via trade, or Stallworth (looking for a ring), Berrian, Hackett or Roy Williams (for a 2nd?) it’ll be a fun and gun game to watch in Dallas. Wouldn’t you trade #28 for him?
I like it, Tav. Go Romo, I'm all for it bold or not!
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